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Proof that there is only one G-D? 5 years 7 months ago #953

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I've studied the proofs of G-D and I understand that he definitely exists, but I haven't found a proof that there is ONLY one G-D/First Cause, can one of the Rabbi's please provide a proof that there is only one G-D, in a easy to understand way?
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Sorry for the late response. Just sent them this their way and I will post an answer when I get one. I believe Hashem says so, in the tanach, in Shema: "Hashem Elokeinu, Hashem Echad"
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Proof that there is only one G-D? 5 years 7 months ago #955

fcmt Offline Newbie Posts: 5 Karma: 1	I believe Hashem says so, in the tanach, in Shema: "Hashem Elokeinu, Hashem Echad" - Hadas Bat-el I wouldn't count that as a proof. If one were to imagine that there were 2 G-D's and one of the 2 G-D's said there is only one G-D, would that be a proof that there is only one G-D? Hope you understand why I don't agree with your answer.
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Proof that there is only one G-D? 5 years 7 months ago #956

Boruch Gold Offline Newbie Posts: 6 Thank you received: 1 Karma: 0	My question to you is what is the definition of GOD? To me it means The Super power who created and runs this world. I dont think he did it with a freind! Make sense/
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Proof that there is only one G-D? 5 years 7 months ago #958

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fctm than one of the "gods" would be lying. Hashem doesn't lie to us. If he would lie about having a "friend" than how do you know anything else in the tanach is true?

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Proof that there is only one G-D? 5 years 7 months ago #960

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a) Through the first cause argument, we arrive at the idea that because there's a finite physical world, there must be something infinite, non-physical, unlimited that created it. Because if the creator was also finite, then he's another part of the physical, which still needs a greater infinite thing to create it.

b) There can't be two (or more) entities that are both defined as infinite. In order for there to be 2 of them, something must distinguish god A from god B. And if either of them have something that the other doesn't, then it's lacking and therefore it's not really infinite! For example, the Zoroastrians believe that there are 2 gods that created the world- a good god who does the good stuff, and a bad god who does the bad stuff. Well, god A only controls the good and he's therefore limited. Same with god B. So they're positing that there are 2 finite beings that created the world, without ever dealing with the question of where these 2 finite beings come from. Everything finite had a source!

Hope that's clear.

PS The Ramchal in the beginning of Derech Hashem says that God's one-ness can be derived from logic. You don't need pesukim for it. I believe this is the logic.

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Proof that there is only one G-D? 5 years 7 months ago #962

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Rabbi Moshe Zeldman wrote:

In order for there to be 2 of them, something must distinguish god A from god B.

Thanks for your reply, please can you elaborate on "In order for there to be 2 of them, something must distinguish god A from god B"? Why must something distinguish between them?

In his post he does elaborate on it. He is saying you cannot have 2 completely infinite being who are unlimited, because the fact that another one exists limits the other one in it's actions.

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Proof that there is only one G-D? 5 years 7 months ago #963

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This reminds me of the philisofical [yes, i dont know how to spell!] paradox(?)
Can G-d create a stone that it to heavy for him to lift?
If he can then it means He cant do everything [lift it] and if He can't then it means He cant do what He wishes!
My Rebbi [Rabbi Miller from UK] explaind that He CAN'T - but, that is a sign of Strength, not weekness.
However 2 coordinating G-ds would be condirictary to total power.
[Its like me and my wife - none of us have full control!!]

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